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Chinese Virologist Dr. Li-Meng Yan – Transcript of Interview on Ask Dr. Drew

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Dr. Drew:
Very interesting conversation with Dr. Li-meng Yan. She’s a Chinese virologist known for her publication and interviews where she describes some, I believe, firsthand observations of the behavior of the Chinese Government that should be of concern to most people. Again, she is a virologist. She works in a virology lab and did so in China as well. I’ve heard her on Twitter Spaces before and became intrigued, and so I thought it’d be really interesting to hear her story. Susan has been very concerned about this topic since the early days of the pandemic, and I thought this would be a great source to try to… I’m not saying I’m going to set the record straight, but let’s just see what a good source has to tell us. So, let’s get right to it.

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Dr. Drew:
Dr. Yan, in addition to being a whistleblower has a, I think it’s a radio show, The Voice of Dr. Yan. Y-A-N, it’s spelled, on America Out Loud Radio Network, America Out Loud Radio Network, that is broadcast weekly, Saturday and Sunday, at 9:00 AM and 4:00 PM Eastern time. That is at americaoutloud.com. So, it’s a sort of a podcast. And Susan, this is something that had been a concern, an interest to you, for quite some time, right?

Susan Pinsky:
Yes.

Dr. Drew:
Yes. And she’s been reading, diligently reading-

Susan Pinsky:
Well, not diligently, but I was a history major at UCLA, and I found Chinese history to be really interesting. It was probably one of the hardest subjects I ever studied, and I always did poorly, but I kept taking the classes because I wanted to understand more. Still don’t understand it, but what I do take away is that for many, many years, they’ve been aggressive towards their people. And it’s just they want power in the hands of very few.
I think economically, as Americans, we were in their clutches. They’ve had most of our industry there, and now we’re seeing the repercussions of what it’s like to be dominated by them. I mean, the economy’s going down, people are dying, and now more people are dying in China.
To me, it’s really interesting, because I don’t understand why people want to be communist. That’s just not my thing. I studied Russian history too. Never really got it. But I’m hoping that the Chinese people can have a voice, like Dr. Yan. I think it’s important, and anything that happened that we need to know, we should know, and it shouldn’t be hidden.

Dr. Drew:
Okay. Let’s start there. Please welcome Dr. Li-meng Yan. There you are. Thank you and welcome. Uh-oh, no sound.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Hello? Can you hear me?

Dr. Drew:
There you are. We got you now. There you go, excellent. We have you now. So, I have just some basic questions. Where was your training, and what was your training in?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Okay, I was trained as a medical doctor in China from two top medical universities. And then, because I wanted to do research, so I moved to the University of Hong Kong to pursue the research. Since I stay in Hong Kong in the last five years before I came to the United States, I moved into the virology lab, that is WHO reference lab, also the State Key Emerging Infectious Disease Lab. So, I was trained there as a postdoc, also as a virologist, and my focus is on immunology and vaccines.

Dr. Drew:
And what kind of projects, were there any projects underway that concerned you while you were there?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
When I was there, I usually did influenza vaccine development. I own my own vaccine patent, which is pending in the United States. And also, before I leave, because there was over three months of the outbreak at that time. I leave in April of 2020, so before that, I also published two COVID-19 virus research. And then one is published on [inaudible] infectious disease, which tell people that viral load can predict the severity of the disease. And also, the second one is, I’m the co-author of Nature Magazine. And that is the first article to tell people that high transmissibility in using the proper animal model, hamster.

Dr. Drew:
High transmissibility of COVID-19 or just of coronavirus generally? Were you working with something called COVID-19?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Coronavirus. That’s COVID-2 because we got the assess COVID-2 virus isolated and also amplified in our lab since end of January 2020. After that, we use it to do a lot of experiment in the BSL-3 Lab and then published, that is one of my paper and since I left, the CRC removed my other articles.

Dr. Drew:
And what was the intent of your research? Why were you going down that path? What problem was that going to solve in your mind?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Do you mean the investigation of COVID or you mean the whole my research background?

Dr. Drew:
The COVID.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
What do you mean? The COVID, actually when I start the COVID, that is the secret investigation, the confidential investigation, which is not as published as I told. So, back to 31st of December, 2019, I was asked by my supervisor, WHO Expert, Prof. Leo Poon in the University of Hong Kong, to do the research based on my own network in Mainland China about the novel coronavirus in Wuhan. I used my own network involving the laboratories, hospitals, and even the military maps to show that actually the thing is getting worse and worse in China and the government was hiding the facts. And after that, the thing have changed because first I was warned not to tell anything, to keep silent. If not, I will be disappeared if I cross the red line.
And also I say the WHO experts, my boss and my big boss, Malik Peiris, all of them, although this is their responsibility in the reference lab to help report the situation to WHO for the region of the public health crisis and within 24 hours. However, they all tend to help China to cover it up. So, that’s why, based on my investigation, when I get more and more standing evidence, I can’t wait. And finally, I decided to deliver this message to a famous anti-CCP YouTube blogger based in New York, who speaking Chinese, I let him to release this information. We want China to stop it, to control the things as soon as possible. And that’s basically the beginning of my story.

Dr. Drew:
And so who was the individual that came to you and said, “You’re going to be disappeared if you talk?”

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
My boss. My boss.

Dr. Drew:
Who delivers? And that’s another doctor at the hospital or that’s a virology lab director? And why is he, who is giving him that directive? Who’s telling him that?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
He didn’t tell me who gave him, but I’m sure that come from his experience. So, he is my boss. Actually, I respect him very much when I was in Hong Kong U. I worked with him for five years, Dr. Leo Poon, he’s still very famous WHO expert because of his work, his achievement even from such one period back to 2003. When he told me that, “You have to keep silence,” and I asked him, “Why do you want me to do that?” And he said, “Because China Government won’t let any of us,” he means Hong Kong experts, “to know the fact and you only can know the things from officials sources.” And he also added that, “Oh, I don’t want, it would be like what happened during SARS-1.” And later when I report him the things, I remember, he also told me, “Oh, come on. They did the same thing as what they have done in SARS-1.” So, in SARS-1, they cover it up.

Dr. Drew:
Tell me what you thought was happening in China and what the official story was and why was it important in their minds to cover it up, do you think?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Briefly, now I can tell you that when they need to cover it, they definitely have the special purpose. For Chinese Communist Party because I was born there and grow up to almost 30 years old, so I can tell you when they try to cover it up, one thing is for their stability. That means they have to control the citizens.
Another thing is they have other strategy against the foreign countries, especially like America is always listed as a primary enemy in CCP’s documents. So, the thing is, when the whole outbreak happened, now we go back to say, China cover it up. And China lied to everyone about the origin and China suppress all the whistleblowers. The thing is, at that time, they don’t want you to be aware of the whole outbreak.
Later when I warned that through the media, Wuhan media to Chinese people, that this is actually already become a big crisis. And if you don’t control it on time, then this will be bigger outbreak and even a pandemic. CCP really has done some response because I did see the real backbone of the SARS COVID-2. I also talk about some of the top secret which based on my investigation. So, they saw someone knows that they have to change, but what did they change? They just admit it’s human-to-human transmission. They increase the patients number for triple and then they lockdown. But they intentionally allow some people who may be very innocent to carry the virus out of China and the virus was spreaded all over the world and become the pandemic.
After that, you see China Government celebrates the COVID trophy. All these kind of top scientist from military or civilian maps, including my previous map in Hong Kong, the top ones get awards because they either involved into the develop of this virus or they get into the cover-up as an academic fabrication.
Altogether, so the thing is now you will see that when we go back to the real origin of COVID-19 virus, we will see that, based on evidence I will explain to you, it was made in military labs and also it is a product of the Military-Civil Fusion project, which is actually a novel bioweapon. I called it as unrestricted bioweapon. So, as a weapon, it has special purpose and that’s why China Government have to hide the top secret, especially when it creates such casualty.

Dr. Drew:
Okay, so a couple of questions. One of the things that struck me when the outbreak occurred in Wuhan, that we suddenly see trucks rolling down the streets spraying some disinfectant on the streets. Seems completely ludicrous. Men in white suits running around tackling people and things. At very minimum, I’m wondering what that was, first of all, what were we looking at there? What do you think that was?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
We called those people in white PPE as Big White and that is kind of people composed of the medical staff and also volunteers, actually government recruited and paid them, and also the law enforcement teams. So, those are the people who conducted different task, including disinfect the city because China was claiming the zero-COVID policies. They claim that they will eliminate even the last one virus in the city and also they have another very, very important task [inaudible].

Dr. Drew:
But you’re laughing, you’re laughing, and I would laugh too because that’s a silly thing to say but it did not look like medical procedures. To me, it looked like showboating for political purposes. Is that what that is?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
It’s more about political purpose. It showed to you that they are busy and also that make profits because all these people, they will get the taxpayers’ money to do this job. It’s not for free. Taxpayers pay them.
And also because this is CCP’s policy from Xi Jinping. So, if you know the Chinese history back to Chairman Mao’s period, they are going to kill the four harmful creators including the red. So, how could you kill all the red in the country? But that’s a similar thing repeated here now. That is clearly for political purpose and also as I said, the most important thing for them to do is to control people because they give people the digital control system on their phone. You can even not go out of your apartment without this kind of traffic light code and those people helping government to control you. That is most important. And also as I told you, for CCP, what they care most domestically is how to control people efficiently.

Dr. Drew:
Were you part of the Communist Party when you were there?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
No, I’m not a Communist Party member.

Dr. Drew:
That was a serious question. Is it funny? I would think a doctor or somebody like that would be somebody likely to be in the Party, no?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
First, I mean I have to tell you that I rejected many opportunities to join this Party. Because one thing I really don’t understand is also we were brainwashed from our maybe baby time listening to this kind of songs. They tell you CCP equal to mom, mom equal to the best one. So, when you love your mom, you should love CCP. However, when you grow up, when they pick the elite people to be the CCP member, I just don’t understand how could people achieve the Communism? Because from the things I learned, this, that, that is a wonderful heaven-like world. Everyone share the things to each other.
But when I was a student, my classmate even won’t share me his pencil. How could I imagine a place that everyone share everything, happy lady together. And one thing is one time when they asked me whether I want to join it, I just asked my question to that classmate who is a member. I said, “If I join it, how could I quit it?” And they were so shocked. They said, “How could everyone ask something? You can never quit it. Why do you want to quit it?” And then I just feel something wrong. If I was going to join some Party but I cannot choose to quit it, it sounds more like a [inaudible]. So, that’s why I realized I can’t be a member.

Dr. Drew:
Now we’ve-

Susan Pinsky:
I’m with her.

Dr. Drew:
I know. We’re getting quite a case built here. You’ve mentioned how this zero-COVID policy. You laughed at it and so did I. We talked about how the procedures they were taking had no medical purpose to them. They were strictly political. How is it that our public health figures sent experts over to China and were persuaded by the Chinese teams that they actually had achieved zero COVID doing things that were silly? How did we fall victim to that? What do you think happened there?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
I mean, the thing is China don’t want to get suggestions from your expert, and even according to Xi Jinping, he want to promote his policies, his thought all over the world. So, that’s why in China, I mean, Communist country has very strict structure. It’s a meaning is the organization. You listen to your boss and you do everything the Party want you to do. Have to show you’re loyal, even it’s a very anti-human actions. So, the thing is everyone now have to show they are loyal to Xi Jinping. If they dare to admit there are any problem in the zero-COVID policy, that would make Xi Jinping lose his face. And that will be the biggest problem for these official or experts. So, the thing is in China, we all know CCP members know they were lying and we know they were lying, and they know we know they’re lying but it doesn’t matter because-

Dr. Drew:
But why didn’t we know? Why couldn’t we say they were lying? I was watching videos from thousands of miles away and I could tell they were lying. Why couldn’t our health officials understand they were being lied to?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
If your health officials don’t compromise with them, I’m worried that they may have no chance to go back to your country. And the thing is, initially if they show that they are so suspicious, they won’t get the visa to go to China.

Dr. Drew:
But they came back with enthusiasm about the Chinese policies and adopted the policies completely. How they could not have seen through that is mind-boggling. It’s just beyond me, that they could not have seen that they were actualizing policies that had no basis in the history of medicine anywhere, in the history of medicine. And suddenly, they’ve decided that Xi Jinping’s policies are magic and are going to cure the world and they foisted it on the whole world.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Yeah, that’s something also make me shocked because these people basically learned all the things from China in a very good CCP style and I know they are compromised and also I know China can stress them or manipulate them. But what I have to tell you is the CCP Xi Jinping system really, they are more benefits to the authorities, to certain expert, to the top people who have powers. So, these people didn’t realize, aha, that would be a perfect system. We want to adopt it to our country because that make us, from the common official, suddenly become a king of a lot of slaves. So, that is a fact. They know what they can get. When they work with China, they get a lot of benefits. When they learn from China, they get more benefits from your society. And the thing is your society, for example, America is very domestic and it take time for people to realize, “Ah, this is something wrong,” and also people will discuss and find us a way and maybe a new bill and then change the whole things.
But if you were from China, you see, everything Xi Jinping said, he said, “Zero COVID”, it was strict zero COVID. He said, “Open it”, the whole country reopened. So, this kind of big change is so efficient. For them, this can bring a lot of wealths or other benefits behind it and this can be a very good way to further control your society, so they don’t mind to adopt it. Starting from the health system and the detail by detail, even to your government. Like I say now, they learn not only health promises from China, they also learn how to control the speech freedom and also they learn how to control other people. They even want to promote this kind of traffic light credit code in many countries like Australia, so many things they are learning from China.

Dr. Drew:
Does that surprise you, that these really, you called them I think, non-human or inhuman policies are not humane maybe or certainly not humanitarian. Policies of the Chinese government are being so widely distributed.
And let me ask, on top of that, it seems like the people here are continuing to suppress you. The people that have taken and adopted some of these crazy policies now are going to behave like the CCP and suppress you here in America. Is that happening?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Yes. I mean, it’s keep happening. And also not only from America but also from other countries. I know the interview I give sometimes just pull out. Like today, I know one YouTube China was told to remove my interview just because I told Chinese people when now China is lack of medicine, the government suppress the medicine. So, you can try to manage to find your own drugs like hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin to [inaudible]. Then this is pulled out from YouTube China. So, this kind of suppression is what I told you, disappear. This is a type of disappear. People don’t know me, whatever I tell you, you cannot hear. Or they try to convince you I’m a liar or I’m a just conspirator. Then that will destroy my credits.
The thing is I have destroyed many people’s benefits and especially CCP, that is the second biggest economy organization in the world. So, it has a lot of power to influence and manipulate media. And so they have already done it in US for decades. So, I’m shocked, but I know that would happen. Before CCP is removed, this will not only happen to me, it will happen to you, it will happen to our audience as long as you won’t resist. That’s why when Susan initially tell that she doesn’t understand why CCP can let people stay there and people kind of accept this system, it’s not because people accept it. One thing is people are brainwashed and the other thing is government could superpower to control you, surveillance you and disappear you once you wake up.

Susan Pinsky:
I agree.

Dr. Drew:
I’m going to ask Susan to-

Susan Pinsky:
No, I know that they don’t want to be in this situation. Why they are is because they’ve been in it for so many years and they learn to live like that. It’s like Cuba. When you go to Cuba, they’re used to communism there. But what I am surprised is that America wanted to be communistic and go with that type of-

Dr. Drew:
I am shocked. And non-medical. That’s the thing that’s blowing my mind, and I knew it from the beginning, these are non-medical interventions. I could see it from the beginning. Nowhere in the history of medicine had we ever done anything like that. And the first place you saw it was in Wuhan. They were doing it there. Now it turns out we have actual documentation that Dr. Fauci sent a team over there. That team was convinced, came back with glowing reports and we adopted it and we influenced the rest of the world. It is mind-blowing. History books-

Susan Pinsky:
And they’re really good at the system, the system of making people believe things are true that aren’t, coming from China.

Dr. Drew:
Well, we’re going to talk about all that.

Susan Pinsky:
They got into our media, they got into it. They got in our heads. It’s very impressive.

Dr. Drew:
Yeah, it’s very impressive. Well, we’re we’re going to talk about all that. Let me ask this before, we’re going to get after the break, we’re going to get into what your theory is about the origins of the virus and we’ll get into some of the weeds of that and you’ve mentioned it specifically as a bioweapon and I want to hear some evidence for that, but-

Dr. Drew:
… is a bio weapon and I want to hear some evidence for that. But let me ask you this question before we go to break, what’s motivating you? Why are you doing this? If anybody were suspicious about your motives, if somebody would go, “Hey, what’s she doing? Why is she doing this?” How would you answer them to persuade them that you have some specific motivation or goal in mind by being so outspoken?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
I don’t want to persuade anyone. Just because I’m a doctor, I’m a virologist, when I see what happened in Wuhan, when I know it through my investigation, I know I can’t wait. And if I don’t tell anything when the pandemic … when this kind of disaster happened, I will be guilty for my whole life. That’s my motive.

Dr. Drew:
That’s where it started, though. What are you doing now?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Now I keep telling first that the people need to know it, because Chinese Communist Party has studied your society very well. Even in their documented articles, they have analyzed that in US, this system, once you want to do something, majority of people have to accept it. So CCP try to use many of the fake theories to blind you, to block you to understand the real origin of COVID-19. Then you won’t ask your government to hold the Chinese Communist Party accountable. So I have to fight against all these false theories, and I have to let people know the real origin of COVID. Not only public but also the intelligence community and legislators.
And also based on this pandemic, China has moved forward. They become more and more aggressive. And so that’s why, because I have established credibility in China, so we got a lot of Chinese sources. They deliver even the top military intelligence to us, because they trust us that they know we will send it to America people or release it to the American media. And we have done that. So that’s why we keep working with the network in China and also provide the update of the top intelligence for you to understand what Xi Jinping want to do, and you can prevent it in advance.

Dr. Drew:
Are you scared?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Scared won’t help, so usually I don’t feel scared. The thing is, sometimes I-

Dr. Drew:
Are you fearful for your family, or did you leave anybody behind?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
I leave my parents, I leave my grandparents, I leave all the relatives in China, and they are all controlled by CCP. The moment I escaped from Hong Kong, I have no idea, I only can cut off my connections. And I know they use my husband as the tool to hunt me in the United States. This is also very typical CCP style, they called it a fox hunt operation. So I don’t feel fear. I will pray for my family, but fear won’t help me to do these things. Only I can pray that we can remove this regime as soon as possible, then people will get free. And for me, sometimes I would be little bit nervous because I would feel that CCP is too cunning. If I don’t do more, maybe they will have more chance to cheat the world and achieve their goals. So these are the things usually I feel.

Dr. Drew:
Are you a freedom fighter?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
I think so, because the ultimate goal I’m fighting for now is for the freedom for Chinese people. And also we know once Chinese people have no freedom, Americans will lose your freedom soon because this is a pretty aggressive regime. They will approach to you.

Dr. Drew:
What led to this change of heart as you grew up? How did you come to this place of being a freedom fighter, do you think?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
I never planned that. Before I escape, my plan is how to finish my job well, get good publication and become maybe assistant professor, finally professor, maybe just in the University of Hong Kong, I love Hong Kong. But the thing was changed from 2019. CCP government destroyed Hong Kong, the place I love so much, the place I become citizen there. And that totally make me wake up. The Chinese people, you just want to stay in Hong Kong. You give … Compared to America, already lack of freedom and democracy, but government still won’t allow you to have this kind of peace. They just want to grab you and control you all. And so I see a lot of brave people, they fight for freedom, fight for the security in Hong Kong. And so I really get inspired, and later when I see the virus and when I did this investigation, I just feel, now I already know the evilness of CCP, and now I also know the truth of this virus outbreak, and it’s my time. I have to do something to change it.

Dr. Drew:
Do you have a supportive network of Hong Kong freedom fighters that support you here?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
No. No. I’m the single investigator based in Hong Kong at that time to do this. And also before I came to US, except for CCP’s network, I don’t think anyone else in Hong Kong know what I have done.

Dr. Drew:
Okay. So we’re going to take a little break. Susan, when we come back, I’m going to give you a chance to talk to Dr. Yan for a second and then we’re going to get into …

Susan Pinsky:
Oh really?

Dr. Drew:
Well, I want you to [inaudible]

Susan Pinsky:
Everybody is crying in the crowd. They’re all-

Dr. Drew:
It’s pretty intense.

Susan Pinsky:
They love her story.

Dr. Drew:
It’s pretty intense. And the fact … Our American intelligence officials, you probably can’t say yes or no, but are I’ll ask it. Are they talking to you?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Many. Not all.

Dr. Drew:
Okay. Okay, good. Many are? Many intelligence officers are talking to you? Yes?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Yeah. Many. Many.

Dr. Drew:
Many. Good. Okay, good. Okay, well that’s good.

Susan Pinsky:
That’s what she said.

Dr. Drew:
Yeah. I want to make sure that’s what’s happening. Because if not, we need to help her talk to some people. Okay. So we’ll take a little break and then I’ll give Susan a chance to see what has bubbled up for her as a result of hearing your story.

Susan Pinsky:
I’m good. I think you might want to take calls too, because somebody out there is probably going to be very interested in asking questions.

Dr. Drew:
Well it’s going to take … We still have a big story to tell, where this thing came from. So take a break, be right back.
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Hey, we are back. Susan has urged me to go straight back to interview with Dr. Yen because this is so fascinating. There we are. So let’s talk about the virus itself. Now, you said you have a story to tell about where it came from, what it is, why it was designed, who designed it, and what’s up next. So I’ll let you start.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Yeah. So this is a [inaudible] theory, and because it include a lot of intelligence and scientific smoking gun evidence. So briefly, I would say that if you want to know the detail, please check my three-year reports, which is a tweet on my Twitter account. And I published them on [inaudible] since September 2020 to March 2021 with several other very good scientists. And what I can briefly let you know is the whole story is actually just CCP and especially when Xi Jinping become the chairman since 2012, they developed bio weapon and they put it as center of the Chinese national strategy. So basically that there is a document written by the PLA’s generals talking about Xi Jinping [inaudible] factors of the national strategy, and 10 of them related to the bio-weapon. Actually they called it as bio-security.
And then another one is nuclear weapons. So they said nuclear weapon can be used to guarantee your bio- weapon program. And they use all these kind of fancy words to package all the things they’re going to do. And also since 2012, everything become accelerating and also Xi Jinping asked his team to reorganize the whole structure. Then the whole system become initially military-civilian fusion, and then become military-dominant. [inaudible] very efficient for them to get the novel bio-weapons. And in this bio-weapons system, there is a very good candidate is coronavirus because based on CCP’s study, in 2015, you may heard about one book named SARS-COVID-1: Now Natural Origin and the Novel Genetic Bio-Weapon Against the Human. That was first revealed by my team and cited in my third year report. In that book, the bio-weapon general said they believe even SARS-1 was not from nature, and also the coronavirus is a very good candidate for the next generation of bio-weapon. And why this is good, because a bio-weapon can carry different functions and also the best thing is, this won’t be a traditional bio-weapon.
For example, if you give anthrax and then people can quickly identify this is on the list of bio-weapon, but coronavirus is not on the list of bio-weapon. And also this can be a low death rate novel bio-weapon, which means death rate is lower than 2%. So it doesn’t fit traditional concept of bio-weapon. It won’t cause a large casualty immediately in a battlefield, but this can slowly destroy the enemy’s society, especially when it gets someone hurt. For example, one patient may take three other labor force to take care of him. That means the enemy will lose four labor force immediately. And once they take over that regime, they can still have at least three labor force for them to work.
So basically this is a continuous strategy for them. And then they also said once this kind of novel weapon based on coronavirus, they believe this will be realized by some scientist, and the scientist can say this is not from nature, because they want to make it look like from nature. But they said while some certain scientists pointed out this is not from nature, then there will be the way to using propaganda and lies to cover it up, or just to deny it. So basically this is the textbook to tell you how they’re going to develop this kind of novel bio-weapon using coronavirus, the basic theory. And I define it as unrestricted bio-weapon because this has no restriction of bottom line of humanity, and no restriction of their tactics. They’re going to use all the method to carry it up, deny it, including the compromised scientists and the medical organizations.
And also almost the same time, because during CCP before Xi Jinping, there already this kind of study, but Xi Jinping make it more efficient. So that’s why until 2015 to 2017, one team lead by PLA scientist Wang Zhongqing, based in East China near Shanghai from 19 Military CDC, they have checked part of the wild place in East China in Xinjiang province. And they found some bat coronavirus, and they named it as 3C-45. And also there is a [inaudible]-like virus named 3SE-21, almost 99% identical. And this bat was from Zhoushan City, so they called it Zhoushan bat coronavirus, 3C-45 and 3SE-21. And they have managed to successfully culture this virus in the labs. And then they also published some articles. They said, “This virus can potentially infect the brain of the mammal and potentially can have the outbreak risk.”
So basically from that time, this was one of the best candidate for their bio-weapon study. And also because for coronavirus there were no other team successfully get such perfect virus for the backbone. So later this was sent to different labs. Why I said is different labs because based on my scientist, we have identified different genetic evidence from different hints. That means for example, we know that woman Shi Zhengli in Wuhan Institute of Virology, they have done something to modify the research funding domain, and also we have seen the [inaudible] site that was work involving Professor Li Fang based in University of Minnesota and his collaborators in New York Path Center. And there are also here a connected scientist. And also there are other parts in the entity of spike protein was modified and which we believe that was part of work done by General Chen Wei in military of China, Academy of Military Medical Science.
So there are so many evidence shows that they have done this kind of modification. And then finally this SARS-COVID-2 virus, when we saw it from Wuhan, the change is totally around 11%. And also at that time, because this is a weapon and this is top weapon for CCP government, you should not expect it is just put into a lab without very careful management. And actually later, even based on our intelligence, that right before the outbreak in Wuhan there were military operation done by PLA, has their code name involved into the use of this virus.
And so anyway, when we say the virus happened in Wuhan, I can tell you I don’t think this is lab accident because when I did my investigation, I also reached to people who have connection in the Wuhan lab and we know that Wuhan lab was safe at that time. There was no lab accident, no one get infected in certain lab accident. They have very good function, but CCP government told them not to do much things to check the sequence of this virus, because China want to downplay the role of that lab. And at that time, during mid-December, China government already knows the sequence of this virus, but they choose to hide it. Why? Because, first, that they want to wait to see the virus, whether they can cause heart damage, and also for example, they say that it happened in Wuhan and later that it go to America. But before they are forced to lockdown, they even came to US, to tell President Trump that nothing big deal, no human to human transmission in China. So that’s how they intentionally hide it up.
And also it takes them time to let people little by little, convinced by the natural origin theory. So that’s why initially they start to tell you this from the wet market and also they want you to know there would be certain wild animal which is eaten by Chinese sold in the wet market and then cause the transmission. So I was, at that time, the one to get this evidence of wild animal. That is another story, but basically because my lab was the lab first identified, claimed that civet cat was the natural animal host for SARS-COVID-1 in 2003. So CCP thought if it is to do the same thing this time, that will be very convincing. And my boss Li [inaudible] also came to me in mid-January. He showed me a picture, which is a small animal. He told me it’s called a raccoon dog. It’s a animal like civet cat. And he wanted me to get him evidence that in Wuhan people eat it and sell it.
However, based on my investigation, we don’t eat it and we don’t sell it. So basically this story is failed, but that is actually part of CCP style, to force all this narrative. And that’s why later you’ll see the day after I release the evidence of 3C-45 and accounted it to the PLA, within 24 hours, on 20th January, that woman, Shi Zhengli, has to quickly submit her paper, claim that they found something called RaTG13 from West China, because China want you to believe this is from Wuhan wet market raccoon dog, and then go back to maybe some bat virus deep in west of China. Totally opposite to where they found the real background of this virus.
And also if you only focus on RaTG13, that is a virus in [inaudible]. We already analyzed that, and this is a fake virus which doesn’t exist in the nature, but totally faked by the scientist in the lab. If you only believe on that one, then you will see only 4% difference between RaTG13 and the SARS-COVID-2. Then you will ignore over 7% of modification from the laboratories, and also you will ignore the People’s Liberation Army’s dominant role in this whole project. And the most thing is China can claim Shi Zhengli is a compromised scientist working with America. So America founded the Wuhan lab and then America is the real reason of the develop of this bio-weapon. So that’s why in this … It’s very complicated.

Dr. Drew:
Finish your thought, “That is why …” Yes, I’m following you all the way. “That is why …” I got a million questions, and you’ve told the story very in a very cohesive, coherent manner. But you were going to say, “That is why …”

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
That is why I keep telling people origin, and we need to know there are so many false theories outside to prevent you from the truth.

Dr. Drew:
So I have a million questions, so bear with me here. Why do US officials … why are they so prone to be enthusiastic about these stories that you say are being conveniently presented by the CCP?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
One thing is because your officials, I say investigators, they have to rely on the expert’s opinions. And you know virologists are very small group. So China has already spent decades to do this kind of preparation. Before Xi Jinping, they start to prepare, and then Xi Jinping make it worse. The thing is the scientists can be compromised, and they also know, one thing is China has found the weakness of the bio-weapon conventions and also the surveillance system. And also they know that they’re quite a bit of the gray area for the technique development in biology. So they manage to learn your technology, and they’re also using this kind of academic exchange to build the relation with your scientist. Once the thing happen your scientist definitely feel that they will be blamed for all the things. And at that time, if they work with CCP, they feel safe and they even get more benefits. That’s why they choose to go to that side. That make me surprised in the beginning of the outbreak.

Dr. Drew:
And is it your contention that this cozy relationship between this scientist here and this scientist there … is that the gain of function research? Is that that shared gain of function research that people-

Dr. Drew:
… function research? Is that that shared gain of function research that people seem to be afraid to admit to, or afraid to acknowledge? Whatever’s going on, it’s hard to tell.
But is that what you’re talking about?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Something, you can call it gain of function technology. But actually, many of the things you even don’t…
I’m a virologist. I won’t say there’s a gain of function technology. But they can be used for gain of function, weaponize the virus.
For example, I have known that Ralph Baric from North Carolina University of Chapel Hill, he had delivered some humanized mouse to China.
In my year-end report, we have analyzed those humanized ACE2 mouse as the ones to be used to develop the affinity between humans and the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
However, if you just talk about the humanized mouse technology, I won’t say this is bad, because we do need such of the technology to develop our-

Dr. Drew:
Let me say what that is. So what you’re saying is, you’ve inserted human genes into mice. Including the binding site for the spike protein, the ACE2 receptor, right? So you could get the virus into the mice and then you…
One of my questions is, in the ways the spike protein were modified, did it have specific biological objectives? In other words, did they know they were going to create things like the cytokine storms, like the COVID lung phenomenon? Is there something about the way the virus was altered that would predict those sorts of biological pathologies?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Yes, there are. That’s why I listed in my year-end report, I just list it as a function with ‘smoking gun’ evidence. It doesn’t mean that’s all functions.
The functions I listed involved that one ACE2 receptor bonding. Specializes a very core part. We call it receptor-binding motif. That is a path for the virus to attach to human ACE2 receptors. And they managed to modify it, make it really close to the perfect structure, that can bond your human ACE2 receptor very well.
They later used the humanized ACE2 mouse to get animal passage. That forecasts the virus knows in vivo how to adopt to this kind of receptor, and makes affinity even better.
Also the [inaudible] site. I bet many people is familiar with this word now. That is the section you insert it into the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, it can help the virus get access to your cells. Make it more efficient.
There is another thing people ignore. It is E protein, the amino protein. That part we won’t say is gain of function, but I will say it maintains the function. People really don’t quite understand this protein. However, based on studies from my lab, we have noted that during SARS-1, if you check the E protein… It’s quite conservative. But if it’s changed, even for cellular amino acids, you just see the virus could lose the capacity of amplification.
And that is not good for them to make it as a weapon. So that’s why there is something very interesting that the E protien in this virus maintains the 100% identical to the Zhoushan bat coronavirus ZC45.
I believe that is because when they get the backbone ZC45, they know this E protein could make this virus alive, could make this virus amplify well. They don’t want to lose this function after their experiment in the labs. So they proximally maintain this function. After they modify the other path, they just put this section back to the SARS COV-2. And that’s why you have the virus with good amplification capacity.

Dr. Drew:
Yeah. I understand what you’re telling us. I have just a-

Susan Pinsky:
You got to explain it to the rest of us.

Dr. Drew:
Well, that the virus can bind very efficiently, it can get into cells very efficiently, can amplify, can multiply very efficiently. And that’s what determines…
Viremia has some impact, meaning the amount of virus circulating has some effect on the severity of illness. And so they could predict then severity of illness.
One of the things that has struck me is that there seems to be something about the spike protein that is causing endothelial injury and alveolar injury. It seems as though that is mediated by the spike protein.
A, is that true? Am I correct? And B, if I am correct, what about vaccines that are built to create spike protein? How do we know how much to give somebody, without that causing problem?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
First, of course spike protein can cause different damage. We have learned spike protein from SARS-1, and we know that SARS-1 spike protein already have the function cause blood clot and cause ADE, Antibody Dependent Enhancement, and many other things.
We have seen in the SARS-COV2 virus, like the anti… Sorry, I forget how to pronounce. The anti-SLE. That kind of antibody which can cause a-

Dr. Drew:
Antiphospholipid.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Yeah, sorry. That is the one can cause the-

Dr. Drew:
I can’t say it in Chinese, so you’re forgiven.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Thank you. That can cause bad heart. That also can induce… The coronavirus like SARS-1, SARS-2, they can cause the cytokine storm. They can cause ADE. They can cause a lot of problem. And there are some more problem with… We don’t know. More functions.
For example, as I said, I didn’t mention NBD part from spike protein, which is the other side, opposite to RBD. This part is changed, based on our examination. The thing is, we still don’t quite sure about the function. And also, we know that is a part they changed. It could be related to the bioweapon in general.
The thing is, we still don’t know how strong the damage spike protein can cause to people. Then why do we need to put it to vaccine? This is not only about how much vaccine we should give people. This is dangerous once it’s weaponized. And before you quite understand this function, before you can attenuate its function, how could you deliver it to humans? Proximally, or even using mandatory policies?
That’s what I have been advocating about from the beginning of the outbreak.

Dr. Drew:
I don’t want you… I understand that. We get into controversy there, and I just really want to stay with the story as you understand it, not opinions so much. You know what I mean?
That’s why I asked the question, because it’s…
Go ahead. What?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
I’m not the one… I don’t tell people not use vaccine. I won’t say that. I just will say, “No mandatory.”
Because for me, I know this would be side effect. But you have to know, there are so many things have side effects. It’s like people using opium ingredient in the drugs for painkiller. In certain levels of cancer, you have to use it.
But I’m definitely against the mandatory policies.

Dr. Drew:
Yep. I get you. I’m with you. And I would like some questions answered about some of the things we’re seeing these days. But that’s a separate topic. We can come back and talk about that topic sometime, you and I. But it’s a separate topic.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Yes.

Dr. Drew:
I’m overwhelmed by everything you’ve given us so far.
Susan, what are you leaning in for?

Susan Pinsky:
I’m overwhelmed too.

Dr. Drew:
Yeah.
So most of my questions I had, you have answered as we were going along.

Susan Pinsky:
She kind of touched on this, but, you think it was leaked on purpose?

Dr. Drew:
Well, okay, that isn’t what…
I have three questions.
One is, do you think they actually leaked it and foisted it on their own people, in order to get it over here? That doesn’t make sense to me.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
It doesn’t make sense to me initially. And here I did my investigation. The thing is, first we need to tell people a lot of details we still don’t know yet. We have intelligence for some things, but we also need more details.
But if you talk about lab accident, I can tell you, I worked in such biosafety level three laboratories. And I can tell you that if there is spillover or anything, at least in this lab, the colleagues will be notice. Because you have to either isolate yourself, or get this infection, or whatever.
But in Wuhan Institute of Virology, at that time during the Wuhan outbreak in November/December, there was not this kind of accident at all. And people work well, in the normal function.
The second thing is, when we talk about release to humans, we have seen the description in the PLS document where they describe the novel bioweapon using coronavirus. They said, “To optimize the function of this kind of weapon, you have to do the tests using humans.”
So release it into the community. Especially in the place that [inaudible] like humans living. This kind of rural community, this kind of environment, will be the best way for you to get the best function of this bioweapon finally.
And for Wuhan things, what we can say is, I would say this is out of control, because government didn’t realize the transmissibility. They underestimated the transmissibility. But I would say that, based on evidence I have now, it pointed out they have at least using some real investment for the test. Because the high permissibility is totally out of control.

Susan Pinsky:
I remember the fake news articles, where they said that the people inside the Wuhan clinic were sick.

Dr. Drew:
There was some stuff like that reported. A lot of crazy things.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
I saw that. Yes. For example, they mentioned one female named Wan Yen Ling. But that Yen Ling actually was in other places in China.
Also, I can tell you just based on evidence, Wan Yen Ling’s photo is amputating the website. But in China, this kind of website or system can be very careless. Maybe a student stays there for three years, they even forget to update the photo. So this is very not evidence.

Dr. Drew:
Got it. Is there anything about the way the spike protein has been adulterated or changed, to give it the capacity to evolve in dangerous ways?
This has been a rapidly evolving virus. Is that something man-made, or is that just a convenience of the backbone?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Could you explain, evolve what?

Dr. Drew:
In other words, it seems like the virus itself, in particular the spike protein, is evolving very quickly, in unpredictable ways.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Yes.

Dr. Drew:
Is that something built into the man-made properties? Or is that something of the backbone of the virus?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
I think that’s one of the reasons they choose coronavirus to build this type of the novel bioweapon. This is not something you can decide. Scientists really don’t quite understand.
One reason is because coronavirus is very simple, just a single string of RNA. And coronavirus is very short, only 30,000 nucleic acids. So that’s why it’s easy to modify it.
And China has spent lot of money, so many years, to search novel virus from animals. They have built a huge database. Then they can establish the computational model to help them to change certain parts. The other part is, the other functions they want, is based on the character of the coronavirus itself.

Dr. Drew:
Interesting. Now I think I heard you say somewhere that you think there was a second release of virus. Like maybe Omicron was a second release or something. Did I hear that correctly, or did I mishear that?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
When we talk about Omicron, that is something tricky. We are working on that now. I mean the Omicron outbreak in China.
China government now claim that there are only Omicron variants, and they claim that there is nothing you have to worry about. However, what we have seen, China rarely… Not controversial. Is updates to what CCP government described.
One example, the real reason of this outbreak, it’s not like the government claimed. Only because they lifted the Zero-COVID Policy, or because of the vaccine coverage.
First, the Zero-COVID doesn’t mean they deal the citizens into the vacuum place and then hit the babies, protect them. People need to go out to do the PCR testing, even during lockdown, right? Crowded together.
And also, the lockdown is not continuously for three years everywhere. It’s Shanghai for over two months, Zhenjiang for three months, and other times is randomly. Shifts happened in different places all over the country.
So you can see people are so vulnerable. Especially when we start to see, this time, the high death toll and also the very severe symptoms, compared to the Omicron symptoms overseas. And we see that there are so many feedback from our audience that their whole family overnight get infected, even they didn’t go anywhere.
A lot of things we can’t explain. We also checked the coverage of the vaccine in China. Although they use the made-in-China inactive vaccine, the coverage is very high. Government said 1.4 million people have already received over 3.4 billion vaccines. So basically almost three times, people on average may get… Over 19% get two doses already.
And this time… Even you go back to 2020, at that time people really don’t have much immunity against the coronavirus. The situation is even not this terrible.
So that’s why we have to be very suspicious. One is the timing. And the other thing is, we need to go back to say what CCP sciences, especially PLA-related sciences, have been done in the past three years.
We have seen that… I can’t tell more, but my team is working on that. What I can share with you is, we have seen that China government has done a lot of things to study the immune escape variants. That is actually the technology easy for gain of function to use, to enhance the capacity of the weaponized virus.
We have seen China’s government stop people to do any PCR testing in hospitals. But they insist the variant in China is just, “Omicron as we know it.”
Then China CDC also predict, they tell people at the end of December, “There will be the super-immune escape variant come out to the world. And at that time, China will have the best treatment, which is already in the clinical trials.” For example, one model antibody, China government said, it will go to the market until March 2023.
So this is all the things we need to be very aware of. During my research, I also try to warn the other countries to prepare for that. Don’t let it hit your country again. We really don’t want to go back to this kind of mandatory policy period. We don’t want to give them pretext to do that.

Dr. Drew:
How do we avoid it?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
I think the good thing is, at this moment, based on our feedback also, majority of times people get infected and the white lung symptom is also quite high. We have things that, if you can get drugs, especially for army treatment, the [inaudible] is good.
I have shared our audience about several protocols from FLCCC, from Dr. Zelenko, from Dr. Peter McIntyre. And among these drugs for Chinese citizens, hydroxychloroquine is the one easy for them to get, because it’s kind of OTC in China. So they had took that. And also, they have told me that they use that, and the symptoms get attenuated, or they even just feel recovered.
At that time also, China government even don’t want people to get the basic fever medicine or panaceas. Government hold the medicine, and don’t distribute it to people. Also also we have known-

Dr. Drew:
Really?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Yes. That’s also I want to ask my government, “Why don’t you let your people to get treatment?” Even majority of medical staffs are sick, and they have to go to work to save people. The death toll is huge in China now.
And the thing is, we also talked about Paxlovid. We know that in China, this drug is not in the market. But somehow, some people can manage to get it from other countries. Some feedback shows that Paxlovid is also helpful for the people, especially when there is no other problems. So we would say-

Dr. Drew:
I want to make sure I heard you. You say there’s a monoclonal antibody coming. Is that true? In March or something, yes?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Yeah. China… I also checked not only CDC claims, also news. They have claimed.

Dr. Drew:
Okay. And Paxlovid, is that what you’re talking about, that they’re getting their hands on Paxlovid? Nirmatrelvir?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
I mentioned Paxlovid because in China, we also get feedback, some high-level, high-ranking, maybe CCP family or rich family managed to get it. This is also helpful, especially in the early stages.
I want to tell people, we have different choices, like cheap drugs, also expensive medicines. You have to prepare it. Because the thing is, if this is immune escape, but these drugs is kind of broad-spectrum antivirals. So for the mechanism could work for people.

Dr. Drew:
They do work. I’ve prescribed a lot of Paxlovid. It really works. The problem with it is, there’s a lot of rebound from it.
I want to bring in another scientist. I’ll just call him Entropy. That seems to be his nickname.
Entropy, you’ll have to spend some enthalpy and unmute yourself. There you are.

‘Entropy’:
Yeah. Got it. Entropy. Thank you, Dr. Drew.
A quick couple of questions. If the conclusion is that this is indeed obviously at least a leak, if not intentional. As we’re going down the questioning of, “Why would they do that to their own people? Do they have something already ready to go?” And that would make sense, that they would. So now we’re, in this discussion, kind of reaching that point.
If this thing is coming out in March, as it sounds like that’s the case with this antibody. It sounds like they either learned… It’s not hard to create an antibody that can match… That’s a very quick thing.

Dr. Drew:
But manufacturing, I’m sure manufacturing’s no small matter. But yes, you could do it quickly and manufacture it. Yep.

‘Entropy’:
Right. So we’re still stuck with, was it an intentional release? Or is this just a new variant, that evolved in what we call now the wild?
I think we still need to stick with that not being for sure. Because if they just found that out there, it’s quick to sequence that, put together an antibody, and that’s ready to go. And most likely we knew that several years ago. It looks like Moderna had already patented some of the antibody sequences, potentially… I think, if I remember correctly, used in their version.
So if it is the case that we know that this is out there, it’s not hard to be ready for something. If we’re already using these humanized ACE2 receptors, these new spike proteins, we’re playing with-

Dr. Drew:
And we have a lot of antivirals coming. There’s a lot of treatments coming.

‘Entropy’:
Sure.

Dr. Drew:
In a weird way, if this was their…
Let me put it this way, Dr. Yan. If this was their strategy, they screwed up, because we’re going to be prepared. We’re getting treatments in order. They didn’t take over our society. The evidence is, it seemed very haphazard.
If this was a systematic attack, it wasn’t very systematic. Maybe it was a trial run. Maybe this was a war game. I don’t know.
What do you say to that?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
First, your definition for success is different as CCP’s definition for success.
American success is, “Boom. I wipe it out, and it’s clean now.”
For CCP, it’s, “I make you weaker and weaker. Destroy you little by little. I have more chance at that time I can develop. Then, we’ll become little by little equal. And then I use other ways to finally make you weak, sick, like this.”
So when we talk about… I just want to answer a little bit that our scientist has mentioned. Intentional or not?
I think I need to emphasize that I believe that is intentionally come out of the lab. Because it is in the lab, it is in the strictest protocol-controlled lab and surveillanced lab.
It comes out, it has to be intentional. And based on the response from CCP government, it is intentional.
The thing is, intentionally coming out is for trial or for attack, and failed. It is intentional go out to do something else. These are the things we are still looking for the very details.
When we talk about the mono-antibody and immune escape, the thing is, this can be the way as a success of… Not success. But if you imagine it in the weapon systems. It’s basically like, you develop the missile defense system, they develop new missile, then you have more defense. This is a competing phase.
If you use the virus as weapon, then you also need to have this kind of thinking. So that’s why, when we say that they study the immune escape variant and also at the same time they study the mono-antibody, then they claim there will be future… Especially they have the top scientists who can predict the immune escape variant in the past three years.
Now they claim that there will be new immune escape super-strains, but then all the other mono-antibody vaccines all over the world will be ineffective.
You really need be aware of CCP’s these kinds of words. And when we talk about why-

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
These kind of words. And when we talk about why they hurt the Chinese people, the thing is… I mean, for Americans, I know most of you will ask me this question, but for Chinese people, we will never ask why our government [inaudible] hurt me. We know our government, every year put trillions of dollars just to maintain the stability. What means maintain the stability means domestically they pay it law enforcement team. And this team just need to be obedient to CCP government. And will anyone want to tell something government don’t like or do anything come government don’t like, even if legally, if the government feel unhappy, then they treat you as an unstable factor. And at that time, the funding go to the law enforcement team will be used to deal with you. And if you check the government, they have so many ways to treat our Chinese people.
For example, if you are a journalist who reports something government doesn’t like, you’ll be sent to the mental hospital. You will be defined as a psycho patients and even get forced treatment unless you keep quiet. And also, in our history for past 70 years under communist control, government never care about Chinese people. Recently, there is a word called human [inaudible]. That means in China they develop human like using the [inaudible], so you are just some consumable resources for the government. This is very anti-human system and this is very evil. So we never questioned that.

Dr. Drew:
Yeah. Well, next thing I wanted to talk about with you is sort of this cultural political issue that we in the United States don’t seem to understand, that the history of that last 70 years was about collectivization and sacrifice and that sacrifice and the destruction of millions of lives was considered glorious; not unfortunate, not disgraceful, but glorious. And so the idea that they would do that again is sort of for the glory of the country.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Yes. For example, now, one thing we can say for China, why this outbreak happened now, we need to assume the timing. And the timing I can tell you is very, very suspicious: right after the White Paper Revolution. And this revolution is historic because this is the first time in mainland China citizens there to stand up in multiple places and to call for freedom, call for NCCP and Xi Jinping step down. This never happened and the government even doesn’t know how to handle it for a short while. And later, we see that immediately everywhere have the outbreak come out. We have received the feedback from east to west, from the small village to the big cities. They said it’s all kind of overnight; from maybe 7th to 10th December the whole family gets sick, the whole village gets sick and the high fever and people even can die in the 12 hours just after the symptom. These are all very unusual.
But we also know that at that time, American government House Intelligence Committee has issue a report pointed out that COVID-19 is related to the bio weapon program in China and IC sampling this evidence. And we know that also makes CCP very scared, because they know once America knows the truth, they will definitely treat CCP and Xi Jinping as enemy of mankind and hold them accountable. However, at that time, if suddenly outbreak come out, they could save a lot of time and people will say, “Oh, how could the country make their citizens sick? So maybe the government is innocent.” And then they say it’s a way for CCP to earn their time. They can go all [inaudible]. They can go out to compromise other people. They have lot of things they can do.

Dr. Drew:
And finally, because you were a part of this system most of your life, do you think you had some sort of an awakening? I still don’t see, other than the uprising in Hong Kong, what was those moments like for you when you started coming to understand some of these things that I wasn’t raised where you were raised and I’m having trouble believing?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Yes. So the final moment of my awakening definitely come from Hong Kong movement. But initially, I mean, that has to be detail by detail. At least you have to know this country, this government is not as good as it’s described. You should be suspicious about the government. And I have this feeling because once it is my grandparents, they suffered from Cultural Revolution. But then they told me some of this story and I read about when I was young, so I know there has been so many disasters happen in China under CCP’s duty. And also, when I work as an intern doctor in the medical school, I have seen how it works in the medical system. It is also CCP controlled. And when they want you to lie, you have to lie.
For example, there was some accident happened, and there are injuries sent to hospital and some of them deaths, but government will just minimize the number. Even there are 100 deaths, government tell only one death in the news. Then even you involve into this kind of treatment, you know the fact you have to keep silent. So all these things make me realize this is a system full of lies, cheating, and also anti-human. I don’t like it.
And I moved to Hong Kong, I thought I got the place I want. I feel free there. However, when they come to destroy Hong Kong, my life is totally changed. And I see how shameless this government can treat their citizens. Hong Kong people, also they’re citizens, but how could they just beat them? They just make them disappear. I see the young protestors go out and they just want the basic human rights from the government. But then the next day you will see naked young people founded from the sea, from the mountain, or from under the building, and the place will claim they committed suicide. And these are all the, I mean, all the lies, you can’t believe that.
And also, you see the senior people come out. Senior people, I mean over 70, even 80 years old, they come to the street. They told people we can do nothing, but we can slow down this place to let those students have more time to escape. When we were young, we didn’t realize the nature of CCP. So we let it grow up. And then now, when we get old we have to do something to protect this cause. So these are all the things make me cry at that time.
Compared to the whole regime, everyone only have very little power. But as what Hong Kong people said, the water, we are like a drop of water; when we all go together this is river and can be ocean. The power is so incredible. And I learned a lot from the whole movement. I’m inspired by all these people. I admire all of them. And that’s why when I make this whole investigation, when I say what happened, I know what I can’t do and I know I cannot work with this system to make it happen. So basically, I mean, this is the whole progress of my change.

Dr. Drew:
I feel like we… What do they call it? … ran the cycle. Single, double, triple, home run, that we ran the full cycle of your story. Did we miss anything?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
What kind of cycle? What else do you want to know?

Dr. Drew:
No. Did we miss anything? Is there a major topic that I neglected to ask you about? Is there anything you want people to know about that I didn’t ask you?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
I see many people just want to know about when I came to US, what happened to me. And also because you may check, if you check my name even Wikipedia, basically I’m a conspiracy theorist. I just want to take several example to tell you how it happened.
One of my colleagues in US, I mean, colleague since I escaped to US, and they want to help me to edit it my Wikipedia page, and then they found some senior people who had a lot of experience in that. And when they checked my Wikipedia, they realized there are at least 70 active accounts in there. Whatever you change, they will change it back to the negative comment on me. So that means they don’t want you to know any positive thing about me and they also make up the lies to discredit me. And this is also what it takes advantage of the algorithm.
So based on that, basically, when you check, Google searching is also kind of manipulated because we have our people inside Google. They told that essentially the CCP has controlled the Chinese part of the Google searching and whatever you search me, there won’t be other thing come out except for the negative reports.
And also, it’s like my Twitter account was suspended. Also, maybe you don’t know, my Yan Reports are also kind of withdrawn by CCP. In July 2021, a CCP agent who pretend to be the citizen in US, [inaudible]. When I realized that he is an agent and I also reported him to the IC, he claim he will make me disappear, and also my reports disappeared from the world. So they have first tried to withdraw my Yan Report from [inaudible], but then we repost the aid. And then also CCP write emails to ask those website not to publish my reports, including research aid, which is academic, just as a social website. So they have to withdraw one of my report, which prompted to the unrestricted bio weapon.
And so also, they work with those compromised scientists. They have created a lot of fake claims to attack Yan Reports. And I think people should read especially the third Yan Report, because once you read whatever those kind of attacks from scientists on MIT review or by John Hopkins or by the New York Times, CNN, you will find the answer, [inaudible] answer to tell you how they twist my evidence in the Yan Reports and created the space to input their false narrative. And that is not difficult for people to understand. I use the three Yan Report to let everyone who can read English report and if you are interested to understand the origin of COVID, you can go to verify by yourself. You don’t need to believe me or not. Based on the reference, check whether the reference are real, whether this smoking gun evidence, unlike the recipe from your grandma, where you eat the cake you know, oh, this is my grandma’s cooking. And you check the connections between all these foreign Chinese PLA scientists, whether these things happened, you will know what happened.
And I hope everyone can let more people understand the origin, because if we don’t focus on the origin, we can never solve the vaccine problem or other public health policy problem, or we cannot prevent the future pandemics.

Dr. Drew:
Thank you for that. Kaleb or Susan, you guys have any other questions for Dr. Yan?

Susan Pinsky:
Welcome to America.

Dr. Drew:
She’s been here a little while. She’s been here a while.

Susan Pinsky:
Yeah. But I see how she has to keep fighting for the reality of who she is and how it still happens here.

Dr. Drew:
Well, that’s what she’s saying. She’s saying the western countries learn from the CCP. And at least for whatever reason, the CC-

Susan Pinsky:
Or maybe it’s coming from the CCP, we don’t know.

Dr. Drew:
We don’t know. But it’s certainly we have now evidence of what’s going on in social media.

Susan Pinsky:
But what really stuck out to me and just looking at it from a historical perspective and how germ warfare would work, is how she said how it kind of happened slowly. You don’t really see it coming. And then it’s not until you look back and you realize, oh gee, this is killing off our young men that are of fighting age in the war, whatever. That’s something that just stood out to me as how sneaky it is, how cunning they are, and how the germ takes decades to really slow us down. And that’s what I’m feeling and I’m-

Dr. Drew:
And I have a question on the chat here that says, “Ask Dr. Yan why Freedom of Information Request were put into the uk.irish.gov, but no proofs provided.” I don’t quite understand that question. Do you?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
What? UK Freedom Information, sorry?

Dr. Drew:
I’ll read it again. It didn’t make sense to me either, but I’ll read it again: “Why did the Freedom of Information Request put into uk.irish.gov, but no proofs provided?” I’m just asking. I don’t know what that means.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
I don’t quite understand this question. I don’t know much about [inaudible]

Dr. Drew:
Yeah, I don’t either. I don’t either. Yeah. Okay. I don’t know what that’s all about either. Let’s see if there’s anything else. Connection to… You’re going to have to… Okay.

Susan Pinsky:
We don’t want to be giving people fear. The whole idea behind this is to impart fear…

Kaleb Nation:
To be aware.

Susan Pinsky:
… on the public.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
No, no, no.

Susan Pinsky:
We’re not saying, “Oh gee, it’s going to get worse,” or whatever.

Dr. Drew:
Well, let me ask this, Dr. Yan, the fact that our government chose fear as a public health policy, was that also from the CCP, do you think?

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Actually, I don’t think that the government is just… I mean, when we talk about what American government doing, and if just simply compared to CCP government, that’s actually very unfair because what CCP government has done is basically now, especially now, we know CPP is emperor in China. So basically that’s just reflect Xi Jinping’s idea of SARS and they just push it to the other societies. But in America, when your government has to do something, I mean, because people have vote, so especially people have the right to say no, like what Freedom [inaudible] has done recently in the Congress. So American people always can choose to say no and to further discuss or change some policies. So this is very different in America. And actually, that is most advantage in American system. And so I would say that if you think your government learned something from China and just you need to express your opinions, as Susan just said, it’s not to create fear, it’s to build your courage. Because we only need two things: truth and courage.
And you have to know that God endorses everyone your rights, and this is forbidden in China, but this is protected by Constitution in America. So also that’s why CCP tries the best to cheat you and they try to change your mind. That’s why you won’t know what you can talk to discuss with your government to protest for. And now we know what we need. We definitely don’t want such tyrannism, that kind of system. So just forget our fear, because we have no other way to go, we can only briefly stand up and speak out.

Dr. Drew:
Well, thank you for that. Those are two words that I’ve been speaking, been coming out of my mouth a lot lately. For the first time in many years, the word courage is suddenly very, very, very important. And something that I took for granted, which was that the pursuit of the truth was something that everybody was interested in. That has been a foggy priority in recent years, I’d say.
But I thank you for being with us. It’s been a fascinating journey to go on with you and I hope people will follow you. The Twitter handle is at Dr. Li, D-R-L-I-M-E-N-G-Y-A-N.

Susan Pinsky:
One.

Dr. Drew:
One. Li-meng.

Susan Pinsky:
So you’re back on Twitter, so now you can voice your opinion again, like all the other doctors that we’ve had back on the show. And even our own Dr. Kelly Victory is back on Twitter. And we just really appreciate that you came on the Twitter spaces and perked Drew’s ears. He heard you say something and he is like, “I have to get her on this show.”

Dr. Drew:
I have to hear more, I have to hear. She knows what she’s talking about, she’s been there and I need to hear more. And you’ve delivered exactly that.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Really appreciate. And just want to remind our audience, there are hundreds of the imposters on Twitter and they just need to check the one with over 150,000 followers. That’s the only account of mine.

Susan Pinsky:
Okay, good.

Dr. Drew:
Well, hopefully today there’ll be more than that even. All right, I hope you’ll stay in touch with us and give us any updates. If something new comes across your desk or you have new findings, I hope you’ll join us again.

Kaleb Nation:
And thank you for your bravery.

Dr. Li-meng Yan:
Thank you so much. Thank you.

Susan Pinsky:
God bless you.

Dr. Drew:
Thank you. Yeah, thank you. You’re inspiring.
So there we go. She did not disappoint. It was exactly kind of what I thought.

Susan Pinsky:
I’m very proud of you.

Dr. Drew:
Proud of me?

Susan Pinsky:
Yeah.

Dr. Drew:
Because why? Because I thought this would be a good, interesting conversation?

Susan Pinsky:
Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Drew:
I’m sure there is alternative opinions and I’d like to hear those as well. There’s a lot of weird stuff going on Twitter. I’m not quite sure what to make of it yet. I can’t really concentrate on it yet, so I’ll try to make sense of people that have alternative points of view. But certainly she is inspiring, right?

Susan Pinsky:
Yeah.

Dr. Drew:
Do we all agree on that at least that this is an inspirational…

Kaleb Nation:
Oh, yeah.

Dr. Drew:
… person and an exceedingly smart person? That was the other thing I got. This is a highly trained scientist and clinician. This woman knows what she’s talking about. And so it’s the kind of person we should at least be listening to.

Susan Pinsky:
Well, I feel like China’s looming and we need to not let that happen.

Dr. Drew:
Looming?

Susan Pinsky:
We need to fight back.

Dr. Drew:
Like they’ve been…

Susan Pinsky:
I mean, listen…

Dr. Drew:
I mean, at the very least.

Susan Pinsky:
… they shut down the whole world. It wasn’t just us.

Dr. Drew:
At the very least, they hoodwinked our public health official. Now, I can blame our public health officials, but I can blame them for hoodwinking them. They hoodwinked them. And we went through… Our children were damaged.

Susan Pinsky:
The entire world.

Dr. Drew:
Our children were damaged. Schools were closed for two years because of that shit. And if nothing else bothers you, let that sink in a little bit. They hoodwinked us. We have a generation of kids now with mental health issues, developmental issues, educationally behind. Maybe that’s exactly what they intended. They got it, well done. So anyway, here we go. Interesting, interesting.

Susan Pinsky:
How many times have I said it’s a communist plot?

Dr. Drew:
Tomorrow…. Do feel vindicated? Do you feel just-

Susan Pinsky:
A little bit.

Dr. Drew:
I’m not… It still could have been an accident [inaudible]

Susan Pinsky:
Listen, you always are very moderate about everything.

Dr. Drew:
Yes, I am.

Susan Pinsky:
But I don’t know, if you look at the history, it hasn’t changed since Mao came in to…

Dr. Drew:
No, I get that part. That’s the part that we missed.

Susan Pinsky:
… China. It just doesn’t change. I was thinking in my head about the guy that killed those girls in Idaho and how the… I can’t remember the guy’s name who was on yesterday.

Dr. Drew:
Gilliam. John T. Gilliam.

Susan Pinsky:
How he said there’s like a power thing.

Dr. Drew:
Yes, dominance.

Susan Pinsky:
How these psychopaths have a… They want to dominate. And this is the same kind of thing. I mean, they kill off their people left and right. It doesn’t bother them.

Dr. Drew:
So tomorrow we have Dr. Paul Alexander in here. And Paul Alexander was in the room when the social distancing was invented and the distance of social distancing was concocted. And when he told us that story last time, I was in shock and I didn’t ask a lot of follow-up questions. My whole interview with him at the beginning of the show tomorrow is going to be, I want to hear every detail of what happened in that room. Who were the players? What were they thinking? How did they come to this craziness? And then why did they stay behind it when they knew there was no evidence for it? So Paul Alexander, tomorrow. We are not having a show Thursday or Friday, we’ll be out of town. And thank you for being here today. We appreciate you guys on the Restream. I’ve been trying to follow you guys. And of course for the Rumble Rant…

Susan Pinsky:
We have a couple of good other guests coming up: Dr. Paul Hatfield with Kelly on the 18th, and also Dr. David Gertler, two great guests.

Dr. Drew:
And Ryan Cole coming back.

Susan Pinsky:
And then, yes.

Dr. Drew:
And we have, again, you guys on the Rumble Rant we’ve been watching as we always do.

Susan Pinsky:
Maybe Drew will come up with somebody else by next Tuesday. You never know.

Dr. Drew:
Maybe. I mean, we’ll bring her back too if there’s more information.

Susan Pinsky:
Actually, I’m having a tooth pulled next Tuesday, so I may not be here.

Kaleb Nation:
Caller show.

Dr. Drew:
Caller show. We’ll do a caller show. I need to do some caller shows too.

Susan Pinsky:
I can maybe make sure the sound works and then call back [inaudible]

Dr. Drew:
Because there’s lots to catch up on here with you all and we’ll do just calls coming up probably next week. That’s probably when we’ll do it, right? Let’s quickly look at the schedule next week, if you don’t mind. Next week is… Is Tuesday your appointment? Yeah, so Tuesday we could do a call show.

Susan Pinsky:
Yes.

Dr. Drew:
Okay. Let’s sort of organize a caller show on Tuesday. All right. We’ll see you all tomorrow at 3:00 Pacific Time.

Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only. I am a licensed physician, but I am not a replacement for your personal doctor and I am not practicing medicine here. Always remember that our understanding of medicine and science is constantly evolving. Though my opinion is based on the information that is available to me today, some of the contents of this show could be outdated in the future. Be sure to check with trusted resources in case any of the information has been updated since this was published. If you or someone you know is in immediate danger, don’t call me, call 911. If you’re feeling hopeless or suicidal, call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-8255. You can find more of my recommended organizations and helpful resources at drdrew.com/help.

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